Receive exclusive gun deals once a week and all our great reviews right in your inbox. Ive had mausers and springfields and others. Your email address will not be published. AccuBond Long Range; . $226.00 $196.00 No Reviews Write a Review. Originally, the East Alton, Illinois company made it available for Winchesters Model 70 and Model 88. DArcy is the man! It seriously depends on what your consider long range effectiveness, but using 6 mm bullet with a measly BC sounds like a waste. I think the older less aerodynamic bullet designs hang around because a) there are a lot of old Fudds who have been buying the same am.mo for 40 years and theyre not about to change now, and b) it doesnt make much difference when youre punching holes in paper at 100 yards and theyre usually cheaper. a factory 55gr bullet a screaming 4,050+ fps muzzle velocity with a mid to long range effectiveness like never before.. Secondly, in order to get the best burn rates and pressures from any of the propellants used, it meant it usually was accompanied by high heat. 6mm Remington. Although the 115-grain VLD bullet is too long for the AR-15 magazines, .308 manufacturers like Armalite, Bushmaster, DS Arms, Springfield Armory, or DPMS should allow for modifying the .308 receiver to be able to contain the 115-grain bullet. Larger and heavier AR-10 platforms have been chambered to allow traditional, long cased .243s, and they perform well, too. I consider the M16/AR-15 platform to be an embarrassment for using a sling in a proper manner unless you outfit the AR with aftermarket parts to put together a forearm on which you can actually reef down on the sling. Remember my rants about how there are other rifles than the AR-15, folks? This is where I could re-post those rants, but I wont, because I dont like repeating myself. 300 BLK? Required fields are marked *. Quit trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear, nut up and do the work we know needs done. The .243 WSSM is available in factory and custom bolt action rifles but the highlight of this caliber/cartridge combination is the Olympic Arms offering complete AR-15s and uppers in this caliber and being able to feed all Winchesters factory ammunition like the 95-grain SBST (eight rounds of .243 WSSM fit in a 20rd .223 magazine). Ok so the holdover is like 61 meters the scope would probably aim at the barrel but seriously this cartridge can knock on .240 Weatherby Magnum territory. 243 WSSM The Long-Awaited 6 mm "Answer"? V-max .I have checked into gettig it upgraded so I can shoot the Berger 105 or 115 bullets which requires a 1in 8 twist barrel. The 95-grain SBST is however affected more by wind than the .300. This round is substantially shorter than even a typical short bolt action, which is sized for a .308/.243 Win cartridge (approx. I have the 117s but havent gotten a good load out of my Match-barrelled Savage Striker pistol 243 WSSMbut got a 243 WSSM AR pistol idea in the works for intermediate range coyoteswell see. I have nailed small varmints on the move at 300 yds with it. Its more over-bore than a 6.5-284 Winchester, which is a notorious barrel burner. you may have it, I have shot Various calibers at long range for years, basically to keep and maintain accuracy most barrels were changed at 1200 rounds! I do have exceptions. The only downside is availability of ammo. I always felt it was overbuilt. The impressive speeds of the WSSM are achieved by putting a lightweight bullet on top of a short, fat, high-volume case. All calculations performed by JBM Trajectory Calculation Page (http://www.mega.nu:8080/traj.html), and assume 55 degrees Fahrenheit at 1,000 of altitude SBST ammunition is Winchesters Supreme Ballistic Silvertip. It will last a long time. I don't think you can compare the WSSM's to the .223/5.56 in terms of barrel life. The .458 and .50 Beowulf have a nice short range thump, and the 6.5 Grendel is a respectable long range round, particularly out of an 18, 20 or 24 stainless barrel. Can .243 Win Be Used for Long-Range Shooting? With relatively less expensive rounds and rifles that are easy to handle, it is an ideal choice for any level shooter who wants to take their abilities out past 300 yards (0.27 km). Ballistics and Drop for the .243 Winchester Super Short Magnum (WSSM) Cartridge Type: Rifle Height: 1.67" Width: 0.544" Average FPS: 3198 Average Energy: 2228 Average Gr: 86 Recoil: 1.37 Power Rank: 2.55 of 20 The .243 Winchester Super Short Magnum (.243 WSSM) was designed in 2003 by Browning and Winchester. The Garand/M1A have their own issues, starting with a) theyre expensive to manufacture, b) their long op-rod is subject to being bent by hotter loads, c) their stock mounting really wants them to remain in the stock, not be broken out for cleaning. Increasing speed increases throat wear, copper fouling, cleaning time etc. The .243 Winchester is over-bored, and in rifles where it is fired in rapid fire strings, it will burn barrels. Additionally, the 6.5 Creedmoor has a couple of other advantages that are also worth discussing. These gimmick rounds (SM/SSM) need to die so the resources wasted on them can be put into non-gimmick rounds. Please help to demonstrate the notability of the topic by citing, notability guidelines for products and services, Learn how and when to remove this template message, Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute. Beau has also trained with the USCCA and is a current member. One must take barrel twist into account depending on the type of 243 Win cartridge that is fired. Basically comes down to using the right tool for the job. Why? My father in law has a bolt Browning in .243 wssm. Show Results Show Results. 257 Weatherby . Seeing as how it might fire 3-4 rounds a year to check zero and shoot deer that should extend the usefulness of the rifle another 5 years! 257 Roberts +P. 243 Winchester Rifles for sale online or in-store at Sportsman's Warehouse. . http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/winchester-supreme-rifle-ammunition-sbst243ssa-wssm-ballistic-silvertip-3250-rdbx-p-74049.html Winchester had a crafty, two-pronged strategy for the .243 Win., and it worked. IOW, dont settle for the .243 WSSM with light, buzzy pills. 95%. Ive got AR15 pattern rifles in 5.56, 6.5Grendel, 6.8SPC, .338Spectre, .and 458SOCOM. The problem comes in here where the cartridge has a long way to move forward to get the bullet into the chamber as it is coming loose of the magazine rails in a .308-length rifle. I realize it has very little recoil, and thats why so many new shooters buy it. Modern propellants are capable of getting burn rates and pressures at lower temperatures. The distributors who have heard of it have never seen it, and others have never heard of it. Get gun deals, hand's on reviews, educational content and updates on law changes, daily! FR . 243 wssm brass For Sale I don't know why this is what it is S shortgrass Well-Known Member LRH Supporter Joined Mar 31, 2010 Messages 3,581 Location Weatherford, Oklahoma Jan 1, 2015 #5 I think I'd plan on buying the reamer, too. 969 - 6.5-243 WSSM 1102 - 22-250 1143 - .243 WSSM 1165 - 0.243 1230 - .220 Swift 1273 - 25-06 1329 - 300 Weatherby 1358 - 223 WSSM 1499 - 264 WM 1620 - 257 Weatherby 1746 - 30-378 So yes the .223 WSSM is getting up there into legendary 264 WM barrel burning country. 250 Savage. OK, here we have a new Gotta-have-it cartridge that, on paper, appears to the the Hot New Lick[tm]. Not worth the extra issues caused by the short-and-fat cartridge. The .223 Rem. Interesting cartridge but I wish it had a common parent case instead of one that appears to bee a pain to get. Snipers are highly trained soldiers specializing in target shooting over long distances. The round was introduced in 2003. %* . The .243 WSSM is a popular choice for both hunting and long-range shooting. They are few in number, but they are there. I was disappointed, until I shot this thing and Holy-fair-dinkum it can shoot like no .243 win. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. I have since shot over 1000 rounds that I can account for, no telling how many the last bloke shot, with little regard for barrel life. 4. Its probably the people who buy the guns chambered in this caliber as their first deer rifle, not the caliber itself, as in its high weight/high BC form the 6mm pill is a ballistic gem. Heres my idea for a magic solution: We design and field a magazine-fed rifle that shoots a round in the 6.5 to 7mm bullet space, with a G1 Bc of at least 0.400. I understand they chrome lined the barrels of the first bolt action rifles put out but I never read about barrel erosion issues from any consumer. It seems to me that whatever this .243 round can do some other standard and popular caliber round can do already. .22 LR? The best advice though is to take the time to properly break in a barrel per the barrel makers recommendations. Let your fellow shooters know share this article using the Facebook, Twitter and other social media icons below. A look at 243 Ballistics with information for some of the most popular 243 Winchester ammo loads available in the United States. If only one can be agreed upon by all manufacturers. I hear nothing but great things about those production rifles. Also, if you read the article, youd know that .243 WSSM is a very high performance, high energy, high velocity long-range precision and hunting cartridge that takes a umber of good features from other calibers and combines them in a way that no other cartridge does. I think there could be wide eyed masses of semi-auto shooters waiting for a round like this that they could affordably upgrade their ARs with and have a great hunting caliber available. 4000 fps is hard on a barrel anyways. Keyword ads suck too. The .243 WSSM used with the 95-grain SBST and the 115-grain could represent significant progress in ballistic performance for snipers. Savage Arms 57367 Axis II 243 Win 4+1 22", Matte Black Barrel/Rec, Synthetic Stock. A couple of specialty manufacturers are putting out some nice custom work as well:Accuracy Systems. Both pushed .257 caliber bullets of 87- to 120-grains in the neighborhood of 2,600 to 3,200 fps. Now this difference isnt nearly as significant to shooting a deer at 300 yards as it is to hitting a gong at 1000 yards. Wear good ear protection. The .243 WSSM is also a popular long-range shooting cartridge. OK, so lets propose using the .243 WSSM to launch a varmint-class bullet with low Bcs is just a waste and figure out how to get the most out of the .243 WSSM. The Truth About .243 WSSM (Winchester Super Short Magnum), Santa Claus and Stevens Arms: Blast from the Past, NY Gov. Pick the bullet first. not trying to sound like a smarta-- but if he's gonna do it, he should be discussing with you what to get and just as importantly,what not to get. Trophy Grade Long Range; Trophy Grade Safari; . In Stock. He was going to reload but finding brass is a pain, thanks for the link above. Its lightweight, delivers fairly low recoil and, tends to be accurate. Of course, that ultra-fast 55gr will probably blow a chimpmunk apart pieces at 100y, but I dont hate chipmunks that much. The Long Range Hunter is available in .300 WSM with an adjustable brake - it's enough gun. browning a.bolt 243 wssm, gunsmithing needed HELP. I get excellent groups with the rifle. It uses a .300 WSM (Winchester Short Magnum) case shortened and necked down to accept a .243 in/6mm diameter bullet, and is a high velocity round based on ballistics design philosophies that are intended . Some barrels just don't seem to like the 87 very much, performing much better with an 80gr FB, or 90gr Boat-tail. It is based on a shortened and necked down .300 Winchester Short Magnum. 93%. The whole point is that that the OAL of the .243 WSSM would allow you to fit the rounds into an AR-15 magazine and up the mag well without hogging the crap out of the lower and upper to make it feed. The problem is finding ammo, but it drops deer in their tracks. No spam. If you have any feedback or question about my articles, please submit it here, it's always appreciated! I tried 100 gr factory ammo in mine and it didnt group hardly enough for a point blank range shot. When reading the post, I was puzzled why the author chose such a piss poor bullet. There is a lot to cover when it comes to carrying a firearm for self-defense. Heat comes from two things: powder burning (and blow-by) and bullet friction. You can load a 95gr Sierra HPBT (G7 BC ~0.232) to mag length (~2.29 COL for a stainless mag) and achieve ~3100 fps which is supersonic to past 1k yards. It doesnt do anything that couldnt be had from other weapons for less and have good ammo availability. Load data for 55 loads in caliber .243 WSSM with .243 | 70gr | Sierra Blitzking bullet including underlying parameters such as bullet length, cartridge length and case capacity. Item : RAHP22ARMN. When looking at a rifle, I look at bullet selection first, and as you stated, I plug it in my ballistics program. JJ Sutton, C.P.S., C.M.A.S. Pushing the shoulder back would seriously decrease the case capacity, and youd end up with something that launches at a very modest velocity for a lot of effort. It is capable of accurate shooting at long range, and is commonly used in long-range competitions. The .243 Win cartridge is an excellent option for hunters and shooters who want to make long-range shots. $460 47. Tom, youre just too picky. The .22-250 and .220 Swift are the most popular of the long range varmint cartridges and have longest track records. Dyspeptic Gunsmith, dont even get me started on the M1A. I understand this is an old thread, but want to reply anyway. Once you have a correctly seasoned barrel and it is on your hunting or mission specific rifle dont rapid fire it and allow it to get excessively over heated. 6mm XC. It offers higher velocity than most previous rifle models and enough guns to stop most big-game animals in their tracks. Namely, feed and function related issues. He started the site to explore the ethics, morality, business, politics, culture, technology, practice, strategy, dangers and fun of guns. The existing cartridges have their use in personal and tactical arsenals, even though they present several inadequacies. The sights were head and shoulders above the peer rifles, with match sights being even better. .308 youd be completely right. Cabellas Currently has some 243wssm. This rifle cuts bullet holes at 100yds. Snipers are the most feared rifleman on the battlefield. for Long Range Shooting? What do you think about the idea of the .243 WSSM (or the .243 family generally) as an AR chambering used for long-range target shooting, hunting, and sniper work? I dont believe Ive ever heard that before. Hornady A-Max Hand Load: 95 Gr. Redding Reloading. His father taught him hunting, bullet casting and reloading, which lead him to develop a strong passion for guns and gun gear. Doesnt Magpul now ship decently priced mags for only one of those variants? LR Guru Formerly '300NM_guru' LRH Supporter. Experienced shootists learned this oh-so-long-ago with the .22-250. I have some guns that shoot minute of barnside. .243 WSSM ( Winchester Super Short Magnum ) Load Data Major manufacturer Olympic Arms was quick to recognize this high performance caliber and how it fits into the AR-15 platform. No spam. You may have heard that one of the reasons the .243 WSSM withered on the vine was that it burned up barrels too fast. In an AR-type platform, there are two common variants of the AR: The AR-15, which has a .223/5.56 bolt head, and the AR-10, which as a .308/7.62 bolt head. In summary, the .243 WSSM rounds shoot faster and flatter than a .300 with diminished recoil compared to the .308. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Sniper's Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts . It is an entirely competent cartridge for hunting anything in North America up to and including elk. You cant get the OAL of a .243 Win up through the AR-15 magazine well. Give me a quality M1A with quality magazines and M80 ball ammo, and Id be happy to compete in a service rifle match. Join 212,000 avid gun enthusiasts and claim your print-at-home shooting drills. This lets the snipers shoot longer ranges with better reliability and consistency than the .308. This cartridge fires an 80 grain bullet at 2800fps and became a major success as a benchrest competition cartridge. VLD ammunition is Bergers Very Low Drag bullet. . Ive moved on to a cowboy assault rifle in the venerable .30-30. I have since found a tip for what seems like a good source for brass if you are a reloader I am not. Olympic Arms. Best 9mm Ammo in 2021 [Self-Defense & Target], 6.5 Creedmoor vs .243 Win Cartridge Comparison. When a loaded AR-15 magazine is inserted and seated in the action, the cartridge alignment is such that it is more directly in line with the chamber and the feed ramps support the rest of the chambering. Yet 7mm-08 reloads have better ballistics than.well, pretty much anything made in short action class today. Long Range Shooting 243 Win at 200, 500 & 1000 Yards Long Range Shooters of Utah 73.7K subscribers Subscribe 477 162K views 10 years ago Chad's first time shooting long range with his. Features 1 Polymer Tip But generally, this hunting rifle ranges around 600 - 800 yards for successfully hitting a whitetail deer. Anything that can kill an elk can kill a moose, The best advice though is to take the time to properly break in a barrel per the barrel makers recommendations. The above is in some part opinion but backed up by experience with a great cartridge. $200-$300 (2) $300-$400 (16) $400-$500 (44) $500-$750 (59) $750-$1,000 (48) $1,000-$2,000 (52) $2,000-$5,000 (23 . This, in the end, is bench racing. Dan I wish Tubb woulda stuck a polymer tip into that bullet and made it a bit more terminal friendly. [2] The correct name for the cartridge, as listed by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute (SAAMI), is 243 WSSM, without a decimal point. But I want a rifle that's good for long-range varmint whacking, but also something I can use for the occasion when I need to take a long poke at a whitetail in a hay field. It is far more costly to design and manufacture a new receiver format than a new cartridge. 2.8 inches). (www.hillbillybrass.com ). In their ballistics tables, Winchester list a very high muzzle velocity of 4,060ft/s (1,240m/s) with a 55-grain (3.6g) projectile for this cartridge. And if it wont shoot under a half inch after tinkering, I get rid of it. If I wanted to link to an external site, I would have done so. Home News .243 Win. [1] The percentage gain in performance over the older .243 Winchester is around 10% or less. The 243 WSSM's case is unusually short and fat in profile, contrasting markedly with most other rifle cartridges, and is intended to take advantage of what ballisticians have shown is the more uniform and efficient burning of propellant powder when it is held in a short, fat stack by the cartridge case.[4]. A comparison of the 243 WSSM with 243 Winchester (second from left) and with 22-250 and 223 Remington (far right). That covers Thermal and Chemical erosion concerns. Haha. The .308 Winchester is the most popular sniper cartridge and was used as the standard round for western service rifles for more than four decades due to its exceptional accuracy and slight blast and recoil. Find a full selection of 243 winchester rifles from top rifle manufacturers at the best prices. It shares the same diameter bullet and shoulder angle as the 222 Remington Magnum but differs from it in that it has a shorter neck and longer overall length. Beretta 3032 Tomcat [Review]: A Worthy Self-Defense Pistol? Most weights are popular or common construction, such as bonded core soft point or homogenous copper alloy hollow point designs. Save that abuse for your recreational, competition, and fun range time with calibers that are more affordable to shoot. I guess people just like new things. Especially when people start trying to turn it into a precision rifle (the military only did it because thats all they had on hand, again, and again). And work it does! The 115-grain has such little deflection that the windage figures are closer to the .338 Lapua than the .300. First, know that the shape, mathematics, and engineering behind the case design is very important. Or just leave it as a 308win and quit trying to make what was originally designed to be a mediocre intermediate range gas gun into the precision long range rifle that it will never be. Capabilities of 90gr and especially 105gr low-drag bullets are hidden bonus of 6 mm. The 243 WSSM was first introduced in 2003. gun). its a real good shooter with the 58 gr. Compared to other factory 6mm sporting cartridges the 243 WSSM is capable of functioning in the AR-15. There has been a 645 wildcat for some time, and you can find .243 pills that are substantial improvements over anything the .223/5.56 can launch, especially in the 105 grain space, where the benchrest boys & girls have spent the last three decades tuning the performance of .243/6mm bullets and ballistics. The 85gr shoots better in mine than the 55gr. If you ever shoot this round, you will fall in love with it. I have a model 70 243 wssm super shadow (plain bottom of the line model 70) I use sierra 55gr and 85gr loads. The 243 WSSM is 38 in (9.5 mm) shorter than the 243 Win, giving the 243 WSSM the ability to fit in a super-short action rifle. What youre describing almost sounds like a Garand or M1A chambered for a greater variety of cartridges. m), respectively. The .243 WSSM is one of the most popular hunting cartridges in North America. I took it home cleaned/lubed her up and tomarrow will be range time. 2. Originally designed for long-range varminting, the boattail-base, hollow-point, cup-and-core projectile nicely pulls double-duty for hunting deer-size game. 100g speer / 42g ADI 2009 gets you 3100fps Chronyd by the same fella within 10 fps of each other. IMO, if you want to come up with a successful round for a rifle today, you start by choosing your bullet. Which using AR platforms is just a quick change of an upper. The 243 Win delivers substantially less recoil and a flatter trajectory. 243 Winchester Super Short Magnum (WSSM) 25 Caliber / .257" Diameter. You could use the fact that this cartridge affords you lots of capacity in a short case, and an OAL closer to the .223 than a .308 does to good effect. One interesting thing is that the .243 WSSM load data I've seen keeps it limited to 2.260", even though SAAMI appears to be 2.360"..25 WSSM load data shows a lot of 2.350" COLs. The .243 WSSMs used with the 95- and 115-grain should perform better than the existing sniper cartridges with regards to trajectory, wind, and the lead required for movers. I mean the 55gr group good, but the 85gr makes tighter groups. Kathy Hochul Appoints Judge to the States High Court Who Ruled an Elephant is a Person, Turkey Hunting Tips: Match Your Calls and Decoys to the Season, South Texas Spring Hunting: Chasing the Rio Grande Turkey, http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/winchester-supreme-rifle-ammunition-sbst243ssa-wssm-ballistic-silvertip-3250-rdbx-p-74049.html, http://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting/ammunition/rifle-ammunition%7C/pc/104792580/c/104691780/sc/104532480/winchester-reg-ballistic-silvertip-174-rifle-ammunition/739976.uts. No joke. But my question is about install a varmint barrel. You can often find out that the conventional wisdom of push it faster is increasingly wrong. Its so versatile that more than one hunting bullet weight is available from major manufacturers. 243 WSSM ( Winchester Super Short Magnum ) Load Data Major manufacturer Olympic Arms was quick to recognize this high performance caliber and how it fits into the AR-15 platform. No national military has ever designated the 243 Win for service, although the LAPDs SWAT unit did implement it during their infancy. I currently do alot of varmint and coyote hunting at long ranges. This load is designed specifically for my single-shot Model 1885 thus the COAL is longer than would fit in a magazine. Snipers using the .300 cartridge only needed about 75% elevation adjustment and 50% windage compensation compared to the .308. Because it is a very high velocity round (basically, performance slightly exceeding .243 Winchester) that is short enough to be fed in an AR-15 lower. - What are the advantages of the .243 WSSM. High heat is the enemy of quality metals. I would use a dedicated autoloader chambered in 243 WSSM. For long-range varminting, sending light bullets at ultra-high velocities, I just think the 6mm Rem has better case design than a .243 Win. I have since long throated the chamber to allow for David Tubb 115g projectiles to be seated forward (OAL 2.400) this leaves only the boattail in the boiler room so 45g of ADI 2213SC for 3050 fps. In fact, Tom Spithaller, Director of Sales, Olympic Arms, Inc., told me their .243 WSSM demo rifle, made in 2004, is still used regularly, and has approximately 8,000 rounds thru it. The more we all know, the better organized and stronger the shooting and hunting community will be. This is what motivated the militarys development of the 6.8mm cartridge. The Best Self Defense Ammo Ballistic Testing. For what I need a center fire rifle for, hunting at ranges usually less than 300 yards, Ill just stick with my .243 bolt gun.
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